Veteran Addiction Treatment for PTSD and Military Sexual Trauma: Miracles Asia’s Different Approach
Miracles Asia co-founder Mark Heather and veteran Michael O'Connor reveal the missing piece in veteran addiction treatment for PTSD and MST.
Founder Mark Heather shares his journey from living overseas isolated from VA resources to finding help through the Veterans of Foreign Wars, entering treatment at Miracles Asia, co-founded by Mark Heathe during COVID, and building a life in recovery he never imagined possible.
After success with their first American veteran patient, Michael O’Connor, Miracles Asia quickly ramped up the specialized treatment center which now offers a unique program designed specifically for veterans dealing with PTSD, military sexual trauma, and substance use disorders. Mark Heather, co-founder, shares how Miracles Asia came to be, the programs details, and what is missing in most rehabilitation programs.
If you’re a veteran currently struggling with addiction, remember you are not alone.
Mark Heather, co-founder of Miracles Asia in Phuket, Thailand, understands what veterans struggling with addiction truly need. After success with their first American veteran patient, Michael O’Connor, Miracles Asia quickly ramped up the specialized treatment center which now offers a unique program designed specifically for veterans dealing with PTSD, military sexual trauma, and substance use disorders. What sets their approach apart is a fundamental understanding that getting sober represents only the beginning of the healing journey for veterans. The real transformation happens through connection with others who understand their experience.
Miracles Asia's success stems from recognizing that the highest success rates do not come from the fanciest facilities or the most credentials on the wall. Rather, lasting recovery happens when programs understand how isolation kills recovery and create genuine community among veterans who share similar struggles.
The Numbers Tell a Story We Can't Ignore
The statistics paint a sobering picture of what veterans are facing. About 63% of veterans diagnosed with a substance use disorder also meet criteria for PTSD. When veterans experience trauma in the military, especially military sexual trauma, their brains look for ways to cope. That coping mechanism often becomes alcohol or drugs.
For MST survivors specifically, the statistics are even more stark. Female veterans who experienced MST were 9 times more likely to develop PTSD than their counterparts.
What makes this crisis worse is that only about one in three survivors chooses to report their assault. More than two-thirds of all military sexual trauma occurrences go unreported. When trauma goes unreported, it does not disappear. Instead, it festers and grows, often leading to substance use as a way to manage the unbearable weight of carrying that secret.
What Actually Works in Veteran Addiction Treatment
In our conversation with Heather and O'Connor, they revealed something powerful: the veterans who succeed are not necessarily the ones with the least severe addictions. They are the ones who are ready to be honest about their struggles and committed to change.
Miracles Asia operates as a small, family-owned center on a tropical island in Thailand. The environment itself contributes to healing.
At Miracles Asia, the core philosophy revolves around something simpler and more profound than fancy facilities or impressive credentials. It is about the veteran's own desire for change. As the founders explain in the full episode, external interventions fail without internal motivation.
The moment someone decides they are ready to speak their truth is when transformation becomes possible.Michael's Transformation due to Miracles Asia's Program.
Why Isolation Impedes Recovery
One of the most striking insights from our conversation was how isolation serves as both a symptom and a weapon that trauma uses against survivors. Heather and O'Connor explain how the military culture of silence reinforces the feeling that veterans are alone in their pain.
At Miracles Asia, the treatment approach focuses on breaking this isolation through genuine connection with others who understand. To hear more about how they create these healing spaces and why peer connection matters so much for MST survivors, listen to the full episode.
Learning to meditate, talking in group settings, and asking for help all felt uncomfortable at first. These practices required Michael to confront the military conditioning that taught him to suppress emotions and handle everything independently.
Why Location Matters More Than You Think
Miracles Asia's location on the island of Phuket in Thailand was chosen with intention. Situated in a rural area surrounded by mangroves and jungle, the facility offers a serene and secluded environment conducive to healing. While this might sound like a luxury, Heather and O'Connor explain there is clear strategy behind it.
When veterans are healing from trauma and addiction, they need physical distance from the triggers that keep pulling them back. For veterans, those triggers are everywhere in their home communities: the bar where they used to drink, the people who knew them before, and the constant reminders of military service that can activate trauma responses.
Creating physical space allows veterans to create mental space. At Miracles Asia, veterans can focus on healing without the daily assault of familiar triggers, surrounded by a peaceful retreat away from the distractions of city life.
The Holistic Approach That Actually Addresses Root Causes
Miracles Asia was built on the understanding that most addiction treatment fails veterans because it treats the substance use without addressing the trauma underneath. Programs can get someone sober, but if they do not help veterans process their PTSD, MST, or moral injury, relapse becomes likely.
Through their holistic approach that includes psycho-education, mental health support, physical fitness, spiritual exploration, and the mind-body connection in trauma recovery drastically reduces the internal conflict that drives veterans to numb or cope with drugs and alcohol. More than 80% of specialized VA programs used to treat PTSD now offer some form of mind-body therapy, and Heather explains why this matters so much for veterans healing from addiction and trauma.
To understand how all these components work together at Miracles Asia and why treating PTSD and substance use disorder at the same time is so critical, listen to the full episode where they break down their entire approach.
Why Group Healing Matters for MST Survivors
Research consistently shows that engaging in group healing, especially in addition to individual therapy, is one of the most effective ways to recover from the effects of sexual violence. Heather shared powerful insights about what happens when survivors connect with others who truly understand their experience.
When survivors share their stories with others who have similar experiences, something fundamental shifts. The shame loses its power.
This is especially critical for male MST survivors. Men with MST histories were no more likely to engage in mental health treatment despite having nearly 3-fold increased odds of reporting future suicidal intent. In the episode, Heather and O'Connor discuss how they create spaces where male patients can break through this isolation.
The Intersection of MST, PTSD, and Addiction
Veterans with lifetime PTSD were found to be 2 times more likely to meet criteria for an alcohol use disorder and 3 times more likely for a drug use disorder. When MST layers on top of that, the complexity increases substantially.
However, Heather and O'Connor shared something hopeful: research shows that alcohol misuse does not interfere with positive treatment outcomes. In other words, clinicians can successfully treat veterans for PTSD alongside addiction. The presence of substance use does not doom chances of recovery.
Listen to the full episode to hear their insights on treating the whole person, not just the addiction and how they approach this intersection at Miracles Asia and what makes their treatment model different.
ARecovery is possible. About 29% of veterans who served in Operations Iraqi Freedom or Enduring Freedom have had PTSD at some point in their lives, yet with the right treatment and support, healing is within reach.
Listen to the full episode to hear more about Miracles Asia's approach, why location matters in recovery, and how connection saves lives.
Resources for Veterans Seeking Help
Veterans struggling with addiction, PTSD, or trauma can take several steps to access help. The Veterans of Foreign Wars connected Michael with Miracles Asia, and they can connect other veterans with appropriate resources. Organizations like the VFW understand the specific challenges veterans face and can provide guidance on navigating treatment options for veteran rehab that treats MST.
Veterans can contact the VA about MST-related care without needing proof or documentation of the assault. The VA's policy on MST-related care is designed to reduce barriers to treatment. Veterans can also inquire about EMDR therapy through the VA, which offers it at no cost.
Treatment options like Miracles Asia in Phuket, Thailand provide alternatives to traditional rehabilitation facilities for PTSD and addiction treatment for combat veterans. The Foreign Medical Program may reimburse treatment costs for veterans seeking overseas addiction treatment for veterans. Some facilities, including Bangkok Hospital, bill the Foreign Medical Program directly, reducing the financial burden on veterans.
Connecting with other veterans through support groups, online forums, or veteran organizations provides community support that enhances recovery. Michael found this community essential to his ongoing sobriety and mental health.
Contact Miracles Asia
For more information about Miracles Asia's veteran addiction treatment program in Phuket, Thailand:
Website: www.miraclesasia.com
Phone: +66 (0) 76 367 788
Email: info@miraclesasia.com
Miracles Asia specializes in treating co-occurring PTSD and substance use disorders in veterans, with expertise in military sexual trauma recovery. The program accepts referrals from the VFW and works with the VA Foreign Medical Program for eligible veterans.
Episode Chapters and Timestamps
00:00 Previously on The Silenced Voices of MST
00:20 The Key to Miracles Asia's High Success Rate
02:37 The Role of Connection in Recovery and Mental Health
03:57 Michael's Journey to Miracles Asia Began The Veterans Program
06:50 The Miracles Asia Veterans Program Breakdown
13:24 Miracles Asia's Location and Origin Story
17:31 A Special Message for Veterans
21:52 Preview for next episode
Frequently Asked Questions
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The most effective addiction treatment for veterans with PTSD integrates trauma treatment with addiction recovery rather than treating them separately. Research shows that treating PTSD and substance use disorder at the same time works to treat both conditions. Programs like Miracles Asia specifically address the intersection of military trauma and addiction, recognizing that veterans need both issues addressed simultaneously for lasting recovery.
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Veterans should consider inpatient treatment if they have tried outpatient options without success, if their home environment contains triggers that make sobriety difficult, or if they need a safe place away from their regular surroundings to focus on healing. Inpatient programs provide 24/7 support, structured programming, and distance from the people and places associated with substance use.
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The VA does provide addiction treatment services for eligible veterans. However, many veterans also seek treatment at private facilities like Miracles Asia that specialize in veteran-specific care. These programs often offer approaches and environments different from VA facilities, including international locations that provide physical distance from home triggers and peer communities of veterans in recovery.
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Yes, and research shows this is actually the most effective approach. About 63% of veterans diagnosed with a substance use disorder also meet criteria for PTSD. Studies have demonstrated that alcohol misuse does not interfere with positive PTSD treatment outcomes, meaning veterans can successfully recover from both conditions simultaneously. Programs that address both issues together, like Miracles Asia, give veterans the best chance at lasting recovery.
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Veterans should seek programs that prioritize safety, provide trauma-informed care, offer connection with peers who understand military experience, integrate addiction and trauma treatment, respect individual healing timelines, and focus on strengths rather than solely on deficits. Look for programs that include comprehensive aftercare as a core component and that understand the unique challenges veterans face, including military sexual trauma and the culture of silence in the military.
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Treatment length varies based on individual needs, but effective programs recognize that healing from both addiction and trauma takes time. Many programs offer 30, 60, or 90-day options, with longer stays generally associated with better outcomes. Aftercare and ongoing support following the initial treatment period are critical, as the weeks and months after leaving a program are often more challenging than the time spent in treatment.
About the Guests
Mark Heather is the co-founder of Miracles Asia, a specialized addiction treatment center located in Phuket, Thailand. With personal experience in addiction and recovery, Mark understands what veterans need to heal from substance use disorders, PTSD, and military sexual trauma. His mission is to help veterans find a path to sobriety and healing by addressing the unique challenges faced by those who have served in the military.
Michael O'Connor was the first veteran patient at Miracles Asia. His experience with the program and his journey through recovery provide valuable insight into what works for veterans struggling with addiction and trauma.
The program at Miracles Asia is designed to provide veterans with the tools, support, and community they need to rebuild their lives through a holistic approach that emphasizes connection, safety, and integrated treatment for both addiction and underlying trauma.
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Michael O (00:00)
had to, be willing to humble myself and put my hand up, which is something.
of veterans might struggle with just because of our conditioning, to raise my hand and ask for help to be vulnerable.
Mark Heather (00:20)
we have a huge success rate. Our is about 60%. It's normally about five or 10. Now, to be brutally frank, that's not because we're any good. It's because of the type of clients we get. You can get a client will go to some really shit rehab. I know it's no good, it's rubbish and yet they get sober.
Rachelle Smith (00:38)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Heather (00:48)
And you can get another guy that goes to this fantastic rehab that I know everybody's committed. got school program. He doesn't get sober. What's the difference? It's do they want it? Do they want it? If they want it, we've got it. If they don't want it.
There's nothing you can do. I can't get sober for them. don't just accept anybody. in our assessment process, we've got to be careful about who we can and can't take. We can't take severe mental illness, for example. We can't. But you know, number one is are they safe? they not violent?
We've got to make sure that they're safe in our little community. But second of all, for me is do they want it? That's what I'm trying to find out when I'm when we're asking people, they good? Do they want to if they want it? Come on down because we've got it for you.
Rachelle Smith (01:37)
In my personal experience with going to different treatment programs, I would say that I did want it, but I didn't believe that I would actually get to a place of healing. And there's actually a big difference, right?
I think it's more of like, I wanted to get better, but I didn't have any hope of it. With me, I found a medication that had finally worked. Prior to that, I had been on like 30 or 40 and it seemed like they either like worked a little bit and then my brain adjusted to it and nothing happened. And that would be the thing that would cause another slump of...
Like you feel like a little better and then all of sudden nothing, you're gonna get back to where you started. having people that have reached that kind of equilibrium of, okay, things are starting to feel a little better. I actually believe now I can do this work and make progress.
Mark Heather (02:37)
Right. And with time, we become our own proof, you know, after some time, but it's just crucial that we stay connected to like-minded people. problem with certainly addiction and mental health and trauma, you're not going to think your way out of it. You're not going to sit in a room and go, well, I'll think my way out of this. It's impossible. It has to be done with others.
Rachelle Smith (02:40)
Right.
Mark Heather (03:02)
that we can be part of that others, which is very powerful in itself, I think. There is something tremendously positive and a gift to be taken from in a positive way. we go out and we have this experience and we found our way out, to be able to share that with other people is very powerful. I believe it's a spiritual thing. It's this awful experience that happened to me
Well, I can take something good from that because I found a way out and I can show other people, hey mate, this is what I did to get out. You if you want to get out of somebody, ask somebody who's got out. That's powerful. You know, it's a powerful thing to have. It's a gift in many ways. It's not a gift we want, but it is a gift. It's a gift that we've got because we have the ability to help people.
Rachelle Smith (03:50)
That's true.
Mark Heather (03:57)
It's a passion. It's the reason that we get up in the morning. My primary purpose, Michael's primary purpose is to help the next alcoholic or addict that we can. That's primary purpose. So the whole place has got that sort of vibe. We've expanded now to 25 rooms. We started at six and it grew and our name grew because, you know, we're quite passionate about what we do. How I got involved with the armed forces, with the FMP.
And the VA was that during COVID, we were so small that we were about the only rehab open in Thailand at all. Nobody else. The VFW, which is the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Chiang Mai, it's in the north of Thailand, contacted us along with the American Embassy. And they said, we've got a serviceman who happened to be Michael, who's with us today, because there's been a load of others since. But he was the first one. They said, he's stuck, he's in COVID.
He can tell you what he was suffering, but also PTSD. Do you have a trauma informed staff there? Can you help? And we went, yeah, sure. You know, bring him down. They connected us up with the FMP, which is the payment part of the three A's who pay us very slowly, but they do pay us. And we got on their list and we've managed to help. We normally have three or four servicemen a year, something like that coming to us from various branches. Mostly those.
Rachelle Smith (05:10)
Sounds about right.
Mark Heather (05:22)
who are living overseas. could be anywhere in Southeast Asia, we cover them. So Michael came down and he was our first client, the forces. And yeah, it went from there really. Regarding our program, yeah, we're bringing in, ⁓ I want to bring in about five veterans a month. And if they stay, we have a 30, 60, 90 day program and not everybody can take 90 days because they're working, right? So it's a lot of time to take off.
They should be saying at least 60 days. Difficult to change people's sort of concept in 30 days. we need about 60. But if they're coming five a month, which we've given, you know, we've made five places available, that means I should have between 10 and 10 and 15 military people. What we plan to do is I don't want this to be a hurrah sort of, you know, military place. You know, I think there should be, I think there's a lot to be said.
with, you know, my other clients are normally 30s, 40s, 50s, middle-class professionals working in Southeast Asia and the States. So I have that type of community. If I bring the military people in, I don't think they should just be service people, because they live in that world already. I think they should be part of Civvy Street. I think they should be part of a normal community. But I do think they have their own special needs.
So I think they should have special counseling, special process groups where they come into groups and they work with their clinical side. There are certain aspects of the program that I think they need to be special just for them. But that's a 20 % of the whole. The rest of it should be our normal program. And our normal program, it's a holistic program, which means it's made up of different bits. The first part is psychoeducation. This is education.
about, you people think they you know all this, you naturally know all this, but people with problems don't. And I'm talking about anger management. I'm talking about relationships. I'm talking about boundaries. I'm talking about values. I'm talking about CBT. I'm talking, you know, mindfulness, these things that we think, I know about that. But actually, maybe they don't know very much. And they're wondering why they're raging all the time or angry all the time or kicking off all the time, you know, these types of things.
So that first part is a educational part, which is in a classroom delivered with homework and going over exactly what that is. The second part is relapse prevention. Anybody can stay sober in a rehab. It's not difficult. What it's all about is what you do when you go home. So the minute they come to us, they're working on what it's like when they leave those gates, when they go back out to their community.
What's the plan Stan? So they should have a complete and utter plan day by day about are they going to continue the therapy with their therapist? Are they going to be going to support groups? Are they going to be joining AA, physical health, eating properly, sleep, all of these things. What's the plan? So the second part is relapse prevention. The third part is the bit we touched on before, mental health. People drink or use because they don't like how they feel, including PTSD. ⁓
When you feel like shit and you feel awful and you can't do anything, what are you going to do? You're going to change how you feel. How do you change how you feel, especially in the services? Totally acceptable. Drink, drink like a fish. I grew up in the military. My dad, was a drink and now more powerful modern drugs have come on the scene. So they need to change how they feel because they feel so awful. That's why they use. So the mental health part is
where you're sitting with a clinical psychologist and you're going through, what's making the want want? What's driving it? Addiction in itself is a compulsive obsessive disorder. But then there's something else, either depression, anxiety, trauma, PTSD, which is driving us to drink and use. So that needs...
Number one, they need to be like detoxed and identify what that is because it's not, know, it can be such a blanket term PTSD, it covers so much, but it really needs pairing down into exactly what it is, exactly how it's presenting and exactly how it should be managed, right? So that's the third part is the mental health part. They do at least two hours a week with a clinical site. You can't do more than that. If you're doing more than that, you're doing too much.
And if it's not too much, you're not doing it properly. Right. After that, it's group work. do quite a lot of group work because I have this amazing community. I only take people that want it. If they don't want to get sober, I don't want them. I can't be bothered. I haven't got enough time. I just want people that want it. So when I get a community of mostly men, I mean, I have about 20, 30 % women, but mostly
Rachelle Smith (10:12)
Right.
Mark Heather (10:36)
well-educated, well-motivated, team-orientated men, all of them, are very, that's a powerful group of people to work with. And it's okay when a clinician or a support worker or a doctor or me say ABC, but when your peer says something to you, you listen, you really listen. So there's the power in the group. It's not only the medical sort of thing, the mental health thing, it's a group thing as well. So,
Rachelle Smith (10:55)
Mm.
Mark Heather (11:04)
The last one is group. also have 12 steps as part of our program. 12 steps is Alcoholics Anonymous, Cocaine Anonymous. We are not a 12 step program, but it's certainly part of what we do because when you go back to your community and especially in the States, everywhere, this is everywhere. It's free, it's loving, it's supportive, it's absolutely everywhere. So we try to guide people into that.
They don't want it. They don't have to have it. It's also a bit of a spiritual program. So there's a spiritual aspect to it as well. And by spiritual, mean, asking yourself a lot of questions and ask answering them and no matter where they go, rather than religious, it's maybe a set of rules that you have to follow. Spirituality is not about that. It's really is this inward, deep dive. And, remember that I think addiction and depression and
PTSD is the loss of connection to self. So it is a bit of a spiritual ⁓ emptiness, a void that we've got to look at. So anyway, that's part of the group. We do lots of different group works and as I said, it's quite powerful. The next one is physical fitness. We've got a gym, we go to this amazing gym three times a week. I it's just huge Olympic pools, weights, ⁓ cardio.
hot and cold, it's as the whole nine yards, has everything. And we do yoga in the morning or we do beach walks in the morning. So we're not keep fit for now, but we do believe in healthy body, healthy mind, healthy spirit. These are all like healing things. And the last one is that we do a lot of is aftercare. So when the client goes home, we're there with them for a couple of months, they continue with the therapist, they continue with the sport worker. They should be coming to our Zoom meetings.
We have the connection. We have the connection when they go home. So they're not alone. We do expect them to find their own communities when they get back, which there's loads in the States, but they've got to actually make that connection. So with us, we're with them all the time, including the two months after they go back. So that's roughly our program.
Rachelle Smith (13:24)
Where exactly are you located to? We should probably cover that.
Mark Heather (13:28)
We're located on the island of Phuket. Phuket is in the Andaman Sea. It's halfway down Thailand on the left hand side.
Rachelle Smith (13:38)
Beautiful. Yep. I've been to Bangkok. I was supposed to go to Phuket, but didn't make it, but I've seen pictures, isn't it? ⁓ man. Paradise, like you said.
Mark Heather (13:49)
We are
actually, we're on the rural part because the island is made up of the few and I didn't know this is this is most islands. I didn't know. It depends on the wind and the tide, but one half of the island is normally mangroves and the other is beaches. We're actually on the mangrove side, which is good for us. We're only about 10 minutes from a beach, but the general area is mangroves because then there's no beaches, then there's no hotels, restaurants, people.
We're very quiet and we're just underneath a jungle, which is a national park, which is behind us. So we're nice and quiet where we are, but we're still only 10 minutes from the beach. But we're in the rural part of the island. I was working in hotel not far from here when the tsunami hit. I lost 13 staff, 54 guests. Bill also lost a lot of guests and staff. He's a ship's captain, but was
working with a hotel and they lost a load of guests and staff as well. So after the tsunami, we worked together. I knew him through Alcoholics Anonymous and we started doing charity work together for kids, orphans, families that have lost loved ones, our staff mainly. We did that for a couple of years. I got to know Bill quite well through Alcoholics Anonymous and through working on the charity work. In about 2015, 16, I wanted to do something about recovery, but
It was my world, but something in hotels as well. you know, rehab seemed to be really way to go. And he said, okay, let's start it with my villa. He had a very flash private luxury villa that was only six bedrooms. And we decided that we thought we were going to help people like us because when I got sober, there were no rehabs. I got sober in 2004. He got sober like 10 years later. There were no rehabs at all in Thailand at that time. So we just did it through AA. And, know, with.
With recovery, AA is wonderful and you know, I'm Mr. AA and NA and CA and all of the anonymous things, but there are other components that AA doesn't cover. The medical part, is detox, the mental health part, which we're going to come to in a minute. The rehab encompasses those things. Yes, it's a place to stop and then work on yourself, but there is mental health component and a medical component that AA doesn't do. So we wanted to.
cover those parts of it. What we thought we aimed at people like ourselves, which is expatriates working in Southeast Asia. Most of our clients are expatriates working in Southeast Asia. So they're normally educated, normally just about to lose everything. The wife is normally leaving with the kids or HR is on their ass. You know, they're that type of client. We aimed it at that sort of people. And that comes out in that
We don't do bag searches, we don't do drug tests all the time, we don't do room searches. We treat people like adults because they are adults. They're allowed phones, they're allowed communication devices. Things that aren't quite allowed in other rehabs, we could because we were going for that sort of population. We were quite successful because we're very small, very personalized, very passionate. All the staff, I employ professional people, nearly all of them.
except for the Thai people who run the kitchen, who run the drivers, who run, you know, the rest of it, like a hotel, the people who are with the clients, with clinical psychologists, psychiatrists, support workers, all of these people, most of them are drunks or alcoholics themselves. ⁓ They are in recovery.
Rachelle Smith (17:31)
So if a veteran listening was interested in reaching out to you to learn more about miracles, how could they find you?
Mark Heather (17:40)
Just go to miraclesasia.com and there's ⁓ a page, especially for veterans.
No, MiraclesAsia.com. You'll get right there. There's a little dog tag and it says veterans press here. So there you go.
Rachelle Smith (17:59)
And do you all have any social media accounts as well?
Mark Heather (18:02)
Yes, we do. Yes. ⁓ We're on Facebook and Instagram.
Rachelle Smith (18:07)
Okay, perfect. I'll get that into the show notes. And is there any last tidbit either of y'all wanna share with our listeners or viewers?
Michael O'Connor (18:18)
Yeah, that there's help.
Mark Heather (18:20)
I think
you don't have to be alone. Just don't. you know, there's a saying in Asia, know, when the student's ready, the teacher will appear. And it is so true. If you put your hand up, all you've got to do is put your hand up and help comes. It really does. Well, and thank you for the wonderful work you do. It's really quite impressive what you're doing.
Rachelle Smith (18:22)
Yeah.
⁓ yeah.
Mark Heather (18:49)
Thank you.
Rachelle Smith (18:51)
It's been humbling. I can tell you that. When I did get to that point of recovering enough to actually use the things that I had learned, ⁓ I was just thinking, man, I want other people to be able to get to this space, because my depression was so bad that it really felt like ⁓ I couldn't see colors at times.
It was like being a robot zombie, I guess, if I could call it something. But to be able to share the stories of more folks that have gotten out of that mode and let survivors know that they're not alone. then there's probably millions of people out there willing to help them and then pull them out of that. That isolation piece, that ⁓ hopelessness. ⁓
We lose people every day because of it. I mean, I was almost one of them multiple times. So this, this is my way of, of sharing that hope and the love that I have now. didn't feel like I had any love in my life before that. I see that in both of you and it's, it's just so important to spread that and get as many people. The help they need as possible and, and, you know, change the world just a little bit every day.
And you can do that through healing, you know.
Mark Heather (20:20)
Best.
Michael O'Connor (20:23)
You're going through a big shift right now too, Rachelle aren't you? Like you're shifting out of that VA space you're in and you're like taking a big step doing this podcast. And I believe in you. I'm really grateful that you have the courage to follow your passion and your journey. Yeah.
Mark Heather (20:40)
Thank you,
Rachelle Smith (20:42)
yeah, every day is an adventure, but it's every day is a learning experience. And the one thing I did learn in therapy that I have to repeat to myself daily is like, I can't control, you know, other things, but I can control how I react to it. And, ⁓ who has gotten me through quite a few things. There's always something, but it's just.
taking that second to breathe and recalibrate and maybe even reach out to somebody else and say, Hey, I just need a different perspective. But being able to do that, even it sounds simple, but it's not.
Mark Heather (21:24)
Yes, that's the difference.
Rachelle Smith (21:26)
That's not, but thank you for providing this to veterans. Thank you, Michael, for sharing your experience as well. And again, so proud of you, so happy for you. And I think so many people are going to benefit from this episode and eternally grateful to you both.
Mark Heather (21:46)
Thank you very much.
Michael O'Connor (21:47)
gonna get a of you.
Rachelle Smith (21:49)
Hey!