What is Military Sexual Trauma?

Military Sexual Trauma is sexual assault or repeated sexual harassment experienced during military service. The Department of Veterans Affairs defines MST as any sexual activity against a service member’s will during duty hours or off duty.

Does the VA provide disability benefits for MST?

Yes. Veterans who experience Military Sexual Trauma can file a VA disability claim. The VA accepts nontraditional evidence and supports MST-related PTSD, depression, and anxiety claims.

How does Rachelle Smith help MST survivors?

Rachelle Smith provides the VA Disability Toolkit and the Contact Your Lawmaker Toolkit to support Military Sexual Trauma survivors navigating the VA and Congress.

Can I file a VA claim for Military Sexual Trauma?

Yes. You can submit a VA claim for MST without direct documentation if you provide credible supporting evidence.

Where can I get help filing an MST claim?

Use the free VA Disability Toolkit. It helps survivors document trauma, track VA responses, and organize every detail for a stronger claim.

What is the Duluth Model Power and Control Wheel?

The Duluth Model Power and Control Wheel is a tool developed in the 1980s through focus groups with female survivors of domestic violence. Women compiled lists of the types of abuse most commonly used against them. The wheel helps survivors understand the full scope of violence they have experienced by identifying patterns of physical violence, emotional abuse, intimidation, isolation, economic abuse, and other controlling behaviors. It gives survivors language to name what happened to them.

Why do perpetrators of violence continue their abusive behavior?

Perpetrators continue abusive behavior because it provides tangible benefits and they face no consequences. The benefits include maintaining control over others, gaining financial advantages, avoiding personal change, dictating reality in relationships, determining family values, controlling where partners go and who they talk to, and deciding when and how sex happens. When there is no accountability, the benefits outweigh any risks, so the behavior continues.

What role does accountability play in preventing Military Sexual Trauma?

Accountability is the crucial missing piece in preventing Military Sexual Trauma. Without real consequences for perpetrators, sexual assault continues because it serves the perpetrator's interests. Awareness campaigns and training programs alone cannot stop sexual assault. Systems must create meaningful consequences that are consistently enforced through the criminal justice system, command structures, and community support. When perpetrators face genuine accountability, they can no longer get away with their actions.

Why do most Military Sexual Trauma survivors not report their assault?

Survivors do not report for several reasons. Many want to forget about the assault and move on. They do not want more people to know what happened. They feel ashamed or embarrassed. Among servicewomen who did report, 38 percent experienced professional reprisal, 51 percent experienced ostracism, and 34 percent experienced maltreatment. The consequences of reporting fall on survivors rather than perpetrators, which discourages reporting.

What cultural factors contribute to gender violence?

Cultural factors that contribute to gender violence include societal norms that devalue girls and women from childhood. Boys learn early that being a girl is considered inferior, which shapes attitudes and behaviors. Adult inaction when boys mistreat girls reinforces the message that boys matter more than girls. Statistics show that girls in the U.S. face a one in three chance of being beaten by a partner and a one in two chance of being sexually assaulted. These cultural patterns begin in childhood and persist throughout life.

How effective are accountability programs for people who commit domestic violence?

Accountability programs can be effective when they require participants to acknowledge their violence, understand power and control dynamics, and face consistent consequences. The 24-week program that Chuck Derry helped develop required men to log instances of abuse and understand the Duluth Model. Initially, participants minimized, denied, and blamed. However, structured accountability enforced by the criminal justice system, probation officers, and community support led to significant behavioral changes. Men who were removed from the program for not taking responsibility often returned later, admitting they could no longer get away with their behavior.

What is The Gender Violence Institute?

The Gender Violence Institute was co-founded by Chuck Derry in 1994. The organization works to end gender violence through an approach that recognizes the connections between violence, power, and privilege. The Institute engages in community organizing, policy development, education, and training. Their work emphasizes that individual behavior change alone cannot end sexual assault. Systems and cultures must change, and consequences for perpetrators must be real and consistent.

How does military culture contribute to sexual assault?

Military culture contributes to sexual assault when stated values of honor and integrity coexist with systems that protect perpetrators. Deeply ingrained cultural norms can override stated values. Varying definitions of consent among jurors in military courts can alter outcomes. Systems that center male power often protect male violence. Sexual violence functions as a tool of dominance and control, reinforces hierarchies, silences dissent, and maintains power structures that benefit some service members at the expense of others.

What is the best addiction treatment for veterans with PTSD?

The most effective addiction treatment for veterans with PTSD integrates trauma treatment with addiction recovery rather than treating them separately. Research shows that treating PTSD and substance use disorder at the same time works to treat both conditions. Programs like Miracles Asia specifically address the intersection of military trauma and addiction.

How do I know if I need inpatient treatment for addiction?

Veterans should consider inpatient treatment if they have tried outpatient options without success, if their home environment contains triggers that make sobriety difficult, or if they need a safe place away from their regular surroundings to focus on healing.

Does VA cover addiction treatment for veterans?

The VA does provide addiction treatment services for eligible veterans. However, many veterans seek treatment at private facilities like Miracles Asia that specialize in veteran-specific care.

What should I look for in a veteran addiction treatment program?

Veterans should seek programs that prioritize safety, provide trauma-informed care, offer connection with peers who understand military experience, integrate addiction and trauma treatment, respect individual healing timelines, and focus on strengths.

How long does addiction treatment take for veterans?

Treatment length varies based on individual needs, but effective programs recognize that healing from both addiction and trauma takes time. Many programs offer 30, 60, or 90-day options, with longer stays generally associated with better outcomes.

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Military Sexual Trauma: Why Accountability Is the Proven Solution

Military Sexual Trauma prevention requires accountability, not just awareness. Learn why consequences stop sexual assault and what 40 years of research proves works.

Military Sexual Trauma won't stop with awareness campaigns alone. In this episode of The Silenced Voices of MST, expert Chuck Derry, founder of The Gender Violence Institute, shares 40 years of research proving accountability is the only solution that works.

Chuck Derry, founder of The Gender Violence Institute, shares his extensive experience in addressing gender violence, offering insights into its cultural roots, the importance of accountability, and the personal reflections necessary for achieving true equality. This episode describes Derry's work and perspectives, providing a comprehensive overview of his approach to combating abuse and enacting cultural change.

Content Warning: This episode and article discuss gender violence, domestic violence, sexual assault, Military Sexual Trauma, abuse dynamics, and systemic failures in addressing violence. Please engage with this content when you feel safe and supported.

In episode 43 of The Silenced Voices of MST, Chuck Derry, founder of The Gender Violence Institute, shares his extensive experience in addressing gender violence, offering insights into its cultural roots, the importance of accountability, and the personal reflections necessary for fostering equality. He has worked to end men's violence against women since 1983 which resulted in co-founded the Gender Violence Institute in 1994. His decades of experience offer critical insights for those working to address Military Sexual Trauma, as the dynamics he documented in civilian domestic violence cases mirror what happens in military systems where sexual assault thrives.

Chuck Derry: 40 Years of Proven Gender Violence Prevention Research

Chuck Derry, with over 40 years of experience since 1983, discusses his transformative journey in gender violence intervention. Initially, he worked with feminist women to combat men's violence against women, an experience that profoundly shaped his understanding. Derry emphasizes that 95% of his knowledge comes from learning from women, while the remaining 5% is based on his experiences as a white male growing up in Minnesota, navigating sexist and racist societal norms. His approach centers on accountability, cultural change, and the willingness of individuals to examine their own complicity in systems that perpetuate violence.

How Gender Violence Begins: Cultural Roots of Violence Against Women

Initially, Derry reflects on his early experiences and realizations about gender dynamics. He recalls understanding at a young age that being a girl was considered the worst thing, influencing his behavior to align with perceived masculine ideals. He shares an anecdote from Catholic school where boys would expose girls' underwear. Adults saw it happen and did nothing. The message was clear that boys were more important than girls.

Derry points out that statistics show girls in the U.S. face a one in three chance of being beaten by a partner and a one in two chance of being sexually assaulted. These statistics are an unsettling reminder of the pervasive cultural issues that begin in childhood and continue throughout life. The normalization of disrespect and violence toward girls creates a foundation for the gender violence that persists in adulthood and globally across institutions, including the military.

Military Sexual Assault: How Military Culture Protects Perpetrators

The conversation shifts to the military, where values of honor and integrity coexist with significant problems of sexual assault. Rachelle shares a personal experience of sexual assault at a VFW, remembering how deeply ingrained cultural norms can override stated values. She notes that even when incidents are reported, varying definitions of consent among jurors in military courts can alter outcomes. Accountability must be consistently adhered to, rather than relying on subjective interpretations that often favor perpetrators.

The contradiction between military values and the reality of sexual assault rates is evidence of a structural problem. Systems that center male power often protect male violence. The burden falls on survivors to prove what happened, while perpetrators benefit from doubt, confusion, and institutional protection.

Proven Accountability Program: How the Duluth Model Changes Abusive Behavior

The 24-week program Chuck led was designed to address abusive behavior. Men ordered to participate must acknowledge their violence and understand the power and control dynamics involved. The program uses the Duluth Power and Control Wheel, requiring men to log instances of physical and emotional abuse, intimidation, and other controlling behaviors.

Battering is one form of domestic or intimate partner violence. It is characterized by the pattern of actions that an individual uses to intentionally control or dominate his intimate partner. That is why the words “power and control” are in the center of the wheel. A batterer systematically uses threats, intimidation, and coercion to instill fear in his partner. These behaviors are the spokes of the wheel. Physical and sexual violence holds it all together—this violence is the rim of the wheel. (Duluth Model)

The Duluth Model's Power and Control Wheel is a tool developed in the 1980s through focus groups with female survivors. Women compiled lists of the types of abuse most commonly used against them. The wheel helps survivors step back and see the full scope of violence they have experienced. It gives them language to name what happened. For many survivors, that validation changes everything.

Derry is careful to note that participants were initially resistant, often minimizing, denying, and blaming. However, the structured accountability led to significant changes. The consequences, enforced by the criminal justice system, probation officers, and community support, were essential to deterring abusive behavior.

Why Perpetrators Continue Violence: Understanding the Benefits of Abuse

One experience in particular stood out most in this program. Chuck Derry spent years sitting across from men who had been court-ordered into his program after harming their partners. He asked them to do something most had never done: list the benefits they got from their violence.

At first, they resisted. Then they filled a four-by-eight-foot blackboard.

The list included advantages such as maintaining control, gaining money, avoiding change, dictating reality, determining what values their kids would have, controlling where their partner went and who they talked to, and deciding when and how sex happened. The list went on for hours. This exercise, conducted in the 1980s and 90s as part of a structured accountability program in Minnesota, revealed something that survivors already knew but systems refused to acknowledge. Violence works for perpetrators until someone makes it stop.

These deep-seated reasons why men perpetuate abusive behavior, even if they themselves are not abusive. The difficulties in relinquishing these perceived benefits is what perpetuates “looking the other way” or not speaking up against it. Understanding these benefits is crucial for developing effective intervention strategies.

Military Sexual Trauma Prevention: Why Accountability Is the Missing Piece

Accountability is crucial in preventing MST. Consequences, enforced by the criminal justice system, probation officers, and community support, were essential to deterring abusive behavior in his program. He shares that men who were kicked out of the program for not taking responsibility often returned, admitting they could no longer get away with it.

The Pentagon nearly doubled its sexual assault prevention budget to more than $1 billion in 2023 and 2024. They established new offices to prosecute cases outside the traditional chain of command. They hired about 1,400 trained prevention specialists to serve at bases around the globe. However, while 8,195 sexual assaults were reported in 2024, independent research estimates the actual number may be 2-4 times higher. Dr. Jennifer Greenburg's research estimated approximately 73,695 cases of sexual assault in the military in 2023, nearly nine times the number of official reports.

The gap between what happens and what gets reported reveals everything about the lack of accountability. Derry's work identified the two factors most strongly associated with men who perpetrate violence: childhood experiences of abuse and witnessing violence, and attitudes related to gender equity. He also identified what keeps violence going: impunity. When perpetrators face no consequences, they have no reason to stop. The benefits outweigh the risks. The behavior continues because it works. Awareness campaigns and training modules alone cannot stop sexual assault. Accountability through consequences and other men speaking up and influencing other men stops it.

Gender Equality: What Men Must Sacrifice to End Violence Against Women

Derry reflects on the personal sacrifices required to achieve true equality. He questions whether men are willing to give up the benefits and privileges they receive in a sexist culture. This includes confronting male bonding over objectification, stopping the use of pornography, listening to women, and relinquishing leadership positions if necessary.

The list includes things men rarely talk about, such as male bonding over objectification, pornography use, dominating conversations, holding leadership positions they are not qualified for simply because they are men, controlling household decisions, and dictating when and how sex happens. The benefits of sexism are real, tangible, and daily.

Giving them up requires more than good intentions. It requires confronting how deeply those benefits are woven into identity, relationships, and career advancement. In military contexts, this means confronting how sexual violence functions as a tool of dominance and control, how it reinforces hierarchies, how it silences dissent, and how it maintains power structures that benefit some service members at the expense of others.

Derry challenges men to consider what kind of human being they want to be and whether they care about the lives of others. The ratio of learning from women versus his own experience matters, because it tells us who holds expertise, whose voices should lead prevention efforts, and why survivor-centered approaches work and top-down institutional responses fail.

How Military Sexual Trauma Survivors Can Demand Accountability

Chuck Derry's decades of work in gender violence intervention offers a clear roadmap for addressing Military Sexual Trauma. Violence works for perpetrators until someone makes it stop. Awareness campaigns, training modules, and billion-dollar budgets cannot replace genuine accountability. Systems must create and enforce real consequences for perpetrators while centering survivor voices and experiences.

For survivors of MST, your story holds expertise that no institutional training can replicate. Your insistence on accountability is not asking too much. You deserve justice, support, and systems that prioritize your safety over institutional reputation. The work of creating change requires all of us to examine our complicity in systems that protect perpetrators and to demand better from our military institutions.

Resources for Veterans Seeking Help

If you are a Military Sexual Trauma survivor, The Silenced Voices of MST offers several free resources and tools to support your journey:

VA Disability Toolkit: A free resource built to help you organize the VA claim process with tips and strategies from those who have successfully navigated the system. Document your trauma, track your claim, and organize every detail for a stronger case.
Contact Your Lawmaker Toolkit: Make your voice heard in Congress. This toolkit allows you to easily and safely contact members of Congress about MST-related legislation, military reform, or your personal experiences with templates and state-specific lookup.
The Advocates of MST Private Facebook Group: Join a safe, private community where survivors can connect, share experiences, and access peer support without fear of retaliation or judgment.
Crisis Support: If you are in crisis, please reach out:
- Veterans Crisis Line: Call 988 and press 1, or text 838255
- National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-4673 (RAINN)
- DoD Safe Helpline for Military Sexual Assault: 1-877-995-5247

Episode Chapters and Timestamps

00:00 Meet Chuck Derry, Founder of The Gender Violence Institute
03:48 Childhood Memories of Cultural Behavior Towards Girls and Women
05:49 Military Culture and Rachelle's SA at the VFW
10:15 The 24-Week Program That Successfully Changed Behavior
12:07 The Benefits of Abusive Behavior
16:01 The Missing Piece in Prevention of MST
17:54 Chuck's Reflections on Life if Equality Actually Happened

Frequently Asked Questions

The Duluth Model Power and Control Wheel is a tool developed in the 1980s through focus groups with female survivors of domestic violence. Women compiled lists of the types of abuse most commonly used against them. The wheel helps survivors understand the full scope of violence they have experienced by identifying patterns of physical violence, emotional abuse, intimidation, isolation, economic abuse, and other controlling behaviors. It gives survivors language to name what happened to them.
Perpetrators continue abusive behavior because it provides tangible benefits and they face no consequences. The benefits include maintaining control over others, gaining financial advantages, avoiding personal change, dictating reality in relationships, determining family values, controlling where partners go and who they talk to, and deciding when and how sex happens. When there is no accountability, the benefits outweigh any risks, so the behavior continues.
Cultural factors that contribute to gender violence include societal norms that devalue girls and women from childhood. Boys learn early that being a girl is considered inferior, which shapes attitudes and behaviors. Adult inaction when boys mistreat girls reinforces the message that boys matter more than girls. Statistics show that girls in the U.S. face a one in three chance of being beaten by a partner and a one in two chance of being sexually assaulted. These cultural patterns begin in childhood and persist throughout life.
Achieving gender equality would require men to give up significant benefits and privileges. This includes male bonding over objectification of women, pornography use, dominating conversations, holding leadership positions they are not qualified for simply because they are men, controlling household decisions, and dictating when and how sex happens. These benefits are woven into male identity, relationships, and career advancement. Giving them up requires more than good intentions. It requires confronting complicity in systems that perpetuate inequality.
Accountability is the crucial missing piece in preventing Military Sexual Trauma. Without real consequences for perpetrators, sexual assault continues because it serves the perpetrator's interests. Awareness campaigns and training programs alone cannot stop sexual assault. Systems must create meaningful consequences that are consistently enforced through the criminal justice system, command structures, and community support. When perpetrators face genuine accountability, they can no longer get away with their actions.
The gap between actual sexual assaults and reported cases in the military is significant. While 8,195 sexual assaults were reported in 2024, independent research estimates the actual number may be 2-4 times higher. Dr. Jennifer Greenburg's research estimated approximately 73,695 cases of sexual assault in the military in 2023, which is nearly nine times the number of official reports. This gap reveals the lack of accountability and trust in military reporting systems.
Survivors do not report for several reasons. Many want to forget about the assault and move on. They do not want more people to know what happened. They feel ashamed or embarrassed. Among servicewomen who did report, 38 percent experienced professional reprisal, 51 percent experienced ostracism, and 34 percent experienced maltreatment. The consequences of reporting fall on survivors rather than perpetrators, which discourages reporting.
Accountability programs can be effective when they require participants to acknowledge their violence, understand power and control dynamics, and face consistent consequences. The 24-week program that Chuck Derry helped develop required men to log instances of abuse and understand the Duluth Model. Initially, participants minimized, denied, and blamed. However, structured accountability enforced by the criminal justice system, probation officers, and community support led to significant behavioral changes. Men who were removed from the program for not taking responsibility often returned later, admitting they could no longer get away with their behavior.
The Gender Violence Institute was co-founded by Chuck Derry in 1994. The organization works to end gender violence through an approach that recognizes the connections between violence, power, and privilege. The Institute engages in community organizing, policy development, education, and training. Their work emphasizes that individual behavior change alone cannot end sexual assault. Systems and cultures must change, and consequences for perpetrators must be real and consistent.
Military culture contributes to sexual assault when stated values of honor and integrity coexist with systems that protect perpetrators. Deeply ingrained cultural norms can override stated values. Varying definitions of consent among jurors in military courts can alter outcomes. Systems that center male power often protect male violence. Sexual violence functions as a tool of dominance and control, reinforces hierarchies, silences dissent, and maintains power structures that benefit some service members at the expense of others.

About the Guest

Chuck Derry is the founder of The Gender Violence Institute. Since 1983, he has worked to end men's violence against women through accountability programs, community organizing, policy development, and education. His approach centers on understanding the cultural roots of gender violence and creating systems that hold perpetrators accountable while supporting survivors.

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Chuck Derry (00:00)
we first started working with batterers in 80s, we thought, oh, these guys just didn't have the life skills they need to address their emotions, or they lost control, And then we find out they'd use those life skills as a more sophisticated way to

And that's when we realized this is very conscious behavior. They know exactly what they're doing.

Chuck Derry with the Gender Violence Institute in Clearwater, Minnesota. I've been doing this work since 1983, 41 years. I was 27 when I started. And it was amazing. It transformed my I started working with feminist women to end men's violence against women and just blew me away.

And 95 % of what I share, I learn from women. as a guy, I'm always expected to be the % of what I share with you, learned from women. And the other 5 % is what I'll share about just being a white boy in Minnesota growing up and US and the sexist, racist stuff that.

was embedded into my bones.

Rachelle Smith (01:11)
Yeah, and unfortunately that's just a part of American culture and we got a long way to go in changing all of that. what were the things that came to pass in your life that led to starting this institute?

Chuck Derry (01:23)
Well, in my early 20s, I was doing roofing and carpentry. And my wife at the time got a job in St. Cloud at the women's shelter, battered women's shelter. And I knew carpentry wasn't quite what I wanted to do with my life. So I kind of put it up to the universe for what could happen next and show me a path and

we moved st cloud and a friend of some friends of mine started the St. Cloud Intervention Project which is based off intervention project and it was really getting criminal justice system to do something about men abusing women and part of that was guys would be arrested they have jail time over the head and then they have come twenty four week accountability groups and they were looking for somebody to facilitate these accountability groups

So I went in there and here's how high the bar was. This is 83. The guy before me, asked him, so what do you think about sexism? He said, sex, I like sex. Sex is good. So I knew what sexism was. That's how I got hired. Because I knew it's, that's how high the bar was. Because in the US, we're just starting to work with men who batter. and I thought, this would be interesting, but it totally transformed my

Rachelle Smith (02:22)
boy.

Chuck Derry (02:35)
started working in this feminist women's organization, I thought I was a pretty nice guy. didn't think I was very racist and stuff. And then I found out my big toe was sexist. It wasn't just this little attitude, it was bone deep. And so it's very amazing how much it challenged me about my male privilege. And then also challenged me about, I care about women's lives? What kind of human being do I wanna be? And then also working within the system, the male system.

To get them to actually arrest men who are beating and raping their wives and children. Because that wasn't happening. every lie I was told about girls and women, they're stupid, they're emotional, they're weak, was all revealed to me. doing this work. And it's just been amazing. I've worked with amazing women. And I've been a very, very lucky, man.

Rachelle Smith (03:19)
just, I can't imagine how sobering that must've been there's this entire, web or blanket or whatever you want to call it. That's thrown over men's eyes. to where they can't really see us as people, unfortunately.

Chuck Derry (03:37)
a, yeah, that's why it transformed my life. I was so lucky to be with women who would debate me.

about sexism, they'd argue with me, they'd even be willing to get angry with me rather than just blow me off.

I was just really lucky.

there's all kinds of stories I can tell about, okay, how this impacted how I with friends and towards girls and

what I grew up with.

Worst thing I'd be in first grade, was six years old. I realized I was going to a little Catholic school and then.

I realized the worst thing I could be is a girl.

throw a ball-like girl or a run-like Anything like a girl. That's how I knew I was the right kind of boy. I looked around my world in 60s. The men were in charge everywhere. so I'm six years old. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if the worst thing I'd be as a girl, then boys are better than girls. ⁓ duh. And then how do we change our behavior with the girls when we thought we were better? And I'll give you one example. In second grade, I was in Catholic school.

and we had to wear uniforms. So the girls had to wear dresses down to their ankles and we had to wear ties. At recess, we'd run after the girls and we'd grab their dresses and we'd say, Tuesday, dress up day. And we'd throw their dresses up in the air so we could see their underwear. They had polka dots on their underwear or butterflies. Oh, we'd be rolling around on the ground laughing and they'd be going, get out of here, leave me alone. Which was part of the fun. the girls all started coming to school with culottes. What we called culottes in those days, they were shorts.

to school wearing shorts underneath their dresses because of what the boys are doing. And there were adults in that playground who had to have seen this and did nothing. As they just went, will be boys, boys are enjoying themselves, okay, they're more important than the girls, apparently. So, I mean,

The cultural stuff the stats I've seen is if you're born a girl child in US, you have a one in three chance of being beaten by the man you're in relationship with, the Center for Disease Control came out with a research last year that said if you're born a girl child in the United States, you have a one in two chance of being sexually assaulted.

the women we know, one of women in our family, one of women we work with. and it's men who are beating and raping these women. And that many men could not be beating and raping this many women without widespread cultural support.

How do we change these cultural norms to stop it before it starts?

Rachelle Smith (05:49)
it's just this reality that we have to face that is baked into our culture, like you said, and our military service, it's like 1 % of Americans serve. we're in this.

much smaller environment where these behaviors become readily apparent. But when you're in basic training and they're putting all the military values in you it's honor, it's integrity, it's look out for the person on your left and right, it's, protecting people. it just somehow does not translate once you

get to tech school or your duty station and some people they don't even get to the part where they get the values and basic like they're just trying to take their ASVAB and go to MEPS and the unthinkable happens to them. even just a few weekends ago. I was sexually assaulted again and

I didn't even realize it. I went to a VFW in, Tampa area, let's say. I walked in, wolf whistles immediately, that sorts of stuff. the commander of the place was like, well, you know how they are. I paid the sponsorship fee and he gave me a tour

the men that were catcalling when I walked in, were leaving. the VFW is a big bar, so everybody in there is drinking. he was showing me a mural outside and we were walking back around and these two men were like, are you coming back? yeah, sure, I'll be back. Like, didn't think anything of that. And one man just looks me up and down, undressing me with his eyeballs. he says, well, I'll be in the front

I didn't know what to say to that. So I just didn't say anything. I go inside, the commander's apologizing profusely. he's just saying, you set off a lot of people when you walked in here. I was like, I set off. Okay. so I sit with another young woman and

she's sharing stories about all the people in there. My boyfriend gets done with work most of them think he's my husband and I'm not gonna correct them at this point. maybe if someone shows ownership over me, they'll leave me alone, which is frustrating. another man comes over and he has this big blue Trump hat on.

He's like, what service are you in? And I like, Air Force. And he goes, sister, and gives me a big hug, which was expected. people are very familial when it comes to their particular service. that part wasn't sexual assault. It was the kiss on the neck that followed when he saw that my boyfriend was ordering. then it was the second kiss on the neck that happened again, maybe 15 minutes later when my boyfriend was turned.

speaking to someone else. in that moment, I'm like, okay, do I push this person to the ground and make a scene? Or do I just leave it alone because I'm in here to do outreach for my podcast. I went with the latter the commander saw the second one and he took my boyfriend and I on a

tour of the place again, just to get us away from that individual and he's apologizing the whole time. that happened on a Sunday and on Tuesday, cause it was Labor Day weekend, told my coworker about it and she's a Navy veteran. And she was like, Rachelle, you just got sexually assaulted again. And it was like,

holy shit, you're right. it did not even register to me that that had happened until someone else pointed it out to me because I think I've been so desensitized to adjust from being re-traumatized so many times.

I was able to process it But the funny thing was, was last week I ran into the young woman that I was sitting next to at the VFW She was actually sitting two seats behind me at a baseball game and she texted me and she introduced me to the group of folks she was with. she was saying let's say this guy's name was Dale.

She was like, yeah, we were doing our best to keep Dale away from her. that made me look at her funny because if you know someone behaves like this frequently enough, why are they still here? But that is our entire military culture. And then that is our entire, entire global culture. And that's infuriating.

Chuck Derry (10:09)
And when you're in a culture like, a sexist culture like this,

Rachelle Smith (10:09)
Mm-hmm.

Chuck Derry (10:13)
we can get away with a lot of things.

Rachelle Smith (10:15)
but I do want what this 24 week program was like for.

the men that had to participate.

Chuck Derry (10:22)
they were ordered to participate and they had to acknowledge and accept responsibility for their violence. And you're familiar with the power and control wheel from Duluth? the hub is power and control and then the rubber on the wheel is sexual and domestic violence. there's all kinds of

intimidation, emotional abuse, et cetera, et we would have the men have to log out all the different ways that they abuse Both physical, one week, and then next week would be how to use intimidation. The next week would be how to use emotional abuse, and they'd have to come back and we'd have discussions, and then we'd just go on that way. Now, the thing about it too is that the men were very resistant, right?

minimize, deny, and blame

we first started working with batterers in 80s, we thought, oh, these guys just didn't have the life skills they need to address their emotions, or they lost control, And then we find out we'd be teaching life skills, and they'd use those life skills as a more sophisticated way to control her. the women in Duluth, Minnesota came out with the power and control Victims talking about their reality.

And that's when we realized this is very conscious behavior. They know exactly what they're doing.

so it was interesting to facilitate that group.

the first time I asked the guys in group, I said, guys, so tell me, what are the benefits of your violence? And they all kind of looked at each other, which was really notable, right? Well, and one guy said, there are no benefits. I said, well, you must be something out of it. Otherwise, why would you do it? looked at each other again, and then one guy started talking about the benefits.

and then they all start talking. And then I filled a four foot by eight foot blackboard of all the benefits of their violence and we ran out of space. first time I did that, I looked at that board, I said, my God, Why would you give it up?

Rachelle Smith (12:07)
I do have the article that you had written about writing down

the benefits that were on the four foot walls. I wanted to read a few of she won't argue. She'll get out of your way so that you can go out. You can get money, keeps the relationship going because she's too scared to leave, power, don't have to change for her, total control and decision making.

She's scared and can't confront me. She's an object. Bragging rights. If she works, I get her money. Or I can get her to quit so she can take care of the house. She's a nursemaid. Supper on the table. Don't have to listen to her complaints for not letting her know stuff. She works for me. I don't have to help out. And it goes on and on and on.

with what you said, like, who would give that up? Who really would? it's incredible to see it all lined up like that. How did it feel writing one thing after on the board like that when these men were being open and honest for once?

Chuck Derry (12:59)
Yeah.

Oh it was amazing most amazing thing is we ran out of space on a four foot by eight foot blackboard that's the most amazing they were still going and we didn't have any more space to write down there were so many benefits it blew me away the first time I did it and still every time I'm looking at

I get to dictate reality. I answer to nobody, do what I want, when I want, with who I want. Anyway, the first time writing it down, was just like, my God. I was so happy that they were sharing it. I was so happy that they were being honest about it. So that was Because it really clarified. why men hang on to sexism, men who are not abusive.

they don't want to give up the sexism because they have to give up some the benefits could just be like telling a joke about a woman's body, like what I like to do to it, right? Or anti-woman stuff. And there's a lot of male bonding that goes on around sexual objectification

of women and anti-woman,

But if we had a man who was in week 16 of 24-week program, and he was still denying his violence and still blaming her and minimizing it, we would kick him out of the group. And we had agreements with the criminal justice system, with probation and the prosecutors, that if he was kicked out, he would do some jail time, because he'd have time hanging over his head.

then they send him back to the same group so he couldn't manipulate a new facilitator. Had to come back to the same group same facilitator so they'd leave they do ten days they come back and they'd be there for us week six week eight and they're taking full responsibility for their violence fully acknowledging and not blaming her and i'd ask 'em so tell me jim what what happened

What's going on? when you were here before, were just denying it blaming her all the time, and now you're just taking full responsibility. How come? He said, because I know I can't get away with it anymore.

after man after man. 10 years. I know I can't get away with it because he was being held accountable by the criminal justice system. And that's because the St. Cloud Intervention Project was holding them accountable as well. Because we would track and monitor every case. We wrote policies that they had to sign, right? So they're liable. So the prosecutors, sheriff, police chief, probation.

judges, everything. we were able to track and monitor. then I knew if kicked a guy out in week 16, he's coming back. Every time they said, because I know I can't get away with it anymore. And so that was a key point.

I thought, okay, I'm gonna ask them, okay guys, why would you give it up? And we filled a one foot by one foot space. I got arrested, orders for protection.

My adult children won't invite me to their weddings anymore and I have to come to groups like this. that was when I fully, fully understood the benefits of this violence and how important consequences are. has to be accountability and part of that accountability is consequences. again, like I said, the guys come back and say, I know I can't get away with it anymore.

Does that answer your question?

Rachelle Smith (16:19)
absolutely because my goal with this podcast is to end the problem sexual trauma. accountability is the solution. that just seems to keep getting sidestepped.

year after year. So to hear that coming from an expert, like, hello, military, if you're listening, because they're very big on performative things, we signed the white ribbon pledge and we had a stand down day and we're doing more briefings or first time airmen

joining the Air Force and getting to their first base. They're like, well, they had like a SARC briefing where they talked about emotions and boundaries and this and that. but where is the accountability piece? Where are the people going to prison? Where is the punishment? recently a two star general was charged with a number of things from, sexual harassment, flying while drunk.

⁓ all sorts of stuff. They got him guilty on everything, but actually sexually assaulting a lieutenant colonel. she was coerced because she was like, I can't, this, person's as far above me in the rank structure. So obviously that's not consent, but the military, even though it's in black and white in the, uniform code of military justice, the

people that are, I forget what they call the jurors in a court martial, but every single one of them has a different definition of what consent is. And that changes the outcome when someone has committed a crime.

Chuck Derry (17:46)
Yeah.

And so we have to hold them accountable and provide consequences. And we also have to do primary prevention.

a lot of times people think you gotta raise awareness on men to get them to change. I was 17 years Northwestern Minnesota in a town of 2500, Roseau, Minnesota, 10 miles south of Canada, and the women's libs was going on then This is 1973. And I thought to myself for the first time, I'm 17, I had long hair, what are the few...

dozen guys in town had long hair in those days. I thought to myself, Chuck, what would it mean to you personally if men and women were really equal? And within two minutes I had the answer. I'd have to give some stuff up. Then I thought, nah, I don't think so. And I was a nice guy. And now I had more aware to what a good deal it was in a sexist culture to be a man because we are so benefited.

Rachelle Smith (18:30)
Mm.

Chuck Derry (18:42)
And so that's part of it when working with abusers. Are you willing to give up the benefits? And working with men in general, that was a big challenge for me doing this work. Am I willing to give up all the benefits I have, all the privileges I have being a white guy, but being a man? Am I willing to give up those privileges? And the privileges I can't give up, am I willing to use those to undermine sexism?

Rachelle Smith (19:02)
moments of reflection and then truly understanding where your values lie are so important your development as a human being, whether you're going to be an all right kind of human being or someone that actually has empathy and understands there's a whole world outside of yourself.

Chuck Derry (19:19)
had to go,

am I willing to stop that bonding? Am I willing to confront my male friends and my brothers,

Chances are I'm gonna lose a friend or two if I confront them about telling sexist jokes. come on, we're just kidding around. Yeah, it's fun. We're taking our pleasure at women's pain. And am I willing to stop using porn? Am I willing to stop going to strip clubs? Am I willing to listen? Listen to women. Am I willing to take leadership from women? In a job place, if men and women are really equal, I'm not getting the next advancement. If I have to compete with all the women,

And then all the folks of color as well, I'm not getting into next advancement because now I just have to compete with the white guys. Am I willing even to give that up, right? Do I care about people's lives or not? Because that's what it comes down to.

hey Chuck, who do you want to be? What kind of human being do you want to be?

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Veteran Addiction Treatment for PTSD and Military Sexual Trauma: Miracles Asia’s Different Approach

Miracles Asia co-founder Mark Heather and veteran Michael O'Connor reveal the missing piece in veteran addiction treatment for PTSD and MST.

Founder Mark Heather shares his journey from living overseas isolated from VA resources to finding help through the Veterans of Foreign Wars, entering treatment at Miracles Asia, co-founded by Mark Heathe during COVID, and building a life in recovery he never imagined possible.

After success with their first American veteran patient, Michael O’Connor, Miracles Asia quickly ramped up the specialized treatment center which now offers a unique program designed specifically for veterans dealing with PTSD, military sexual trauma, and substance use disorders. Mark Heather, co-founder, shares how Miracles Asia came to be, the programs details, and what is missing in most rehabilitation programs.

If you’re a veteran currently struggling with addiction, remember you are not alone.

Mark Heather, co-founder of Miracles Asia in Phuket, Thailand, understands what veterans struggling with addiction truly need. After success with their first American veteran patient, Michael O’Connor, Miracles Asia quickly ramped up the specialized treatment center which now offers a unique program designed specifically for veterans dealing with PTSD, military sexual trauma, and substance use disorders. What sets their approach apart is a fundamental understanding that getting sober represents only the beginning of the healing journey for veterans. The real transformation happens through connection with others who understand their experience.

Miracles Asia's success stems from recognizing that the highest success rates do not come from the fanciest facilities or the most credentials on the wall. Rather, lasting recovery happens when programs understand how isolation kills recovery and create genuine community among veterans who share similar struggles.

The Numbers Tell a Story We Can't Ignore

The statistics paint a sobering picture of what veterans are facing. About 63% of veterans diagnosed with a substance use disorder also meet criteria for PTSD. When veterans experience trauma in the military, especially military sexual trauma, their brains look for ways to cope. That coping mechanism often becomes alcohol or drugs.

For MST survivors specifically, the statistics are even more stark. Female veterans who experienced MST were 9 times more likely to develop PTSD than their counterparts.

What makes this crisis worse is that only about one in three survivors chooses to report their assault. More than two-thirds of all military sexual trauma occurrences go unreported. When trauma goes unreported, it does not disappear. Instead, it festers and grows, often leading to substance use as a way to manage the unbearable weight of carrying that secret.

What Actually Works in Veteran Addiction Treatment

In our conversation with Heather and O'Connor, they revealed something powerful: the veterans who succeed are not necessarily the ones with the least severe addictions. They are the ones who are ready to be honest about their struggles and committed to change.

*Miracles Asia operates as a small, family-owned center on a tropical island in Thailand. The environment itself contributes to healing.*

At Miracles Asia, the core philosophy revolves around something simpler and more profound than fancy facilities or impressive credentials. It is about the veteran's own desire for change. As the founders explain in the full episode, external interventions fail without internal motivation.

The moment someone decides they are ready to speak their truth is when transformation becomes possible.Michael's Transformation due to Miracles Asia's Program.

Why Isolation Impedes Recovery

One of the most striking insights from our conversation was how isolation serves as both a symptom and a weapon that trauma uses against survivors. Heather and O'Connor explain how the military culture of silence reinforces the feeling that veterans are alone in their pain.

At Miracles Asia, the treatment approach focuses on breaking this isolation through genuine connection with others who understand. To hear more about how they create these healing spaces and why peer connection matters so much for MST survivors, listen to the full episode.

Learning to meditate, talking in group settings, and asking for help all felt uncomfortable at first. These practices required Michael to confront the military conditioning that taught him to suppress emotions and handle everything independently.

Why Location Matters More Than You Think

Miracles Asia's location on the island of Phuket in Thailand was chosen with intention. Situated in a rural area surrounded by mangroves and jungle, the facility offers a serene and secluded environment conducive to healing. While this might sound like a luxury, Heather and O'Connor explain there is clear strategy behind it.

When veterans are healing from trauma and addiction, they need physical distance from the triggers that keep pulling them back. For veterans, those triggers are everywhere in their home communities: the bar where they used to drink, the people who knew them before, and the constant reminders of military service that can activate trauma responses.

Creating physical space allows veterans to create mental space. At Miracles Asia, veterans can focus on healing without the daily assault of familiar triggers, surrounded by a peaceful retreat away from the distractions of city life.

The Holistic Approach That Actually Addresses Root Causes

Miracles Asia was built on the understanding that most addiction treatment fails veterans because it treats the substance use without addressing the trauma underneath. Programs can get someone sober, but if they do not help veterans process their PTSD, MST, or moral injury, relapse becomes likely.

Through their holistic approach that includes psycho-education, mental health support, physical fitness, spiritual exploration, and the mind-body connection in trauma recovery drastically reduces the internal conflict that drives veterans to numb or cope with drugs and alcohol. More than 80% of specialized VA programs used to treat PTSD now offer some form of mind-body therapy, and Heather explains why this matters so much for veterans healing from addiction and trauma.

To understand how all these components work together at Miracles Asia and why treating PTSD and substance use disorder at the same time is so critical, listen to the full episode where they break down their entire approach.

Why Group Healing Matters for MST Survivors

Research consistently shows that engaging in group healing, especially in addition to individual therapy, is one of the most effective ways to recover from the effects of sexual violence. Heather shared powerful insights about what happens when survivors connect with others who truly understand their experience.

When survivors share their stories with others who have similar experiences, something fundamental shifts. The shame loses its power.

This is especially critical for male MST survivors. Men with MST histories were no more likely to engage in mental health treatment despite having nearly 3-fold increased odds of reporting future suicidal intent. In the episode, Heather and O'Connor discuss how they create spaces where male patients can break through this isolation.

The Intersection of MST, PTSD, and Addiction

Veterans with lifetime PTSD were found to be 2 times more likely to meet criteria for an alcohol use disorder and 3 times more likely for a drug use disorder. When MST layers on top of that, the complexity increases substantially.

However, Heather and O'Connor shared something hopeful: research shows that alcohol misuse does not interfere with positive treatment outcomes. In other words, clinicians can successfully treat veterans for PTSD alongside addiction. The presence of substance use does not doom chances of recovery.

Listen to the full episode to hear their insights on treating the whole person, not just the addiction and how they approach this intersection at Miracles Asia and what makes their treatment model different.

ARecovery is possible. About 29% of veterans who served in Operations Iraqi Freedom or Enduring Freedom have had PTSD at some point in their lives, yet with the right treatment and support, healing is within reach.

Listen to the full episode to hear more about Miracles Asia's approach, why location matters in recovery, and how connection saves lives.

Resources for Veterans Seeking Help

Veterans struggling with addiction, PTSD, or trauma can take several steps to access help. The Veterans of Foreign Wars connected Michael with Miracles Asia, and they can connect other veterans with appropriate resources. Organizations like the VFW understand the specific challenges veterans face and can provide guidance on navigating treatment options for veteran rehab that treats MST.

Veterans can contact the VA about MST-related care without needing proof or documentation of the assault. The VA's policy on MST-related care is designed to reduce barriers to treatment. Veterans can also inquire about EMDR therapy through the VA, which offers it at no cost.

Treatment options like Miracles Asia in Phuket, Thailand provide alternatives to traditional rehabilitation facilities for PTSD and addiction treatment for combat veterans. The Foreign Medical Program may reimburse treatment costs for veterans seeking overseas addiction treatment for veterans. Some facilities, including Bangkok Hospital, bill the Foreign Medical Program directly, reducing the financial burden on veterans.

Connecting with other veterans through support groups, online forums, or veteran organizations provides community support that enhances recovery. Michael found this community essential to his ongoing sobriety and mental health.

Contact Miracles Asia

For more information about Miracles Asia's veteran addiction treatment program in Phuket, Thailand:

Website: www.miraclesasia.com

Phone: +66 (0) 76 367 788

Email: info@miraclesasia.com

Miracles Asia specializes in treating co-occurring PTSD and substance use disorders in veterans, with expertise in military sexual trauma recovery. The program accepts referrals from the VFW and works with the VA Foreign Medical Program for eligible veterans.

Episode Chapters and Timestamps

00:00 Previously on The Silenced Voices of MST
00:20 The Key to Miracles Asia's High Success Rate
02:37 The Role of Connection in Recovery and Mental Health
03:57 Michael's Journey to Miracles Asia Began The Veterans Program
06:50 The Miracles Asia Veterans Program Breakdown
13:24 Miracles Asia's Location and Origin Story
17:31 A Special Message for Veterans
21:52 Preview for next episode

Frequently Asked Questions

The most effective addiction treatment for veterans with PTSD integrates trauma treatment with addiction recovery rather than treating them separately. Research shows that treating PTSD and substance use disorder at the same time works to treat both conditions. Programs like Miracles Asia specifically address the intersection of military trauma and addiction, recognizing that veterans need both issues addressed simultaneously for lasting recovery.
Veterans should consider inpatient treatment if they have tried outpatient options without success, if their home environment contains triggers that make sobriety difficult, or if they need a safe place away from their regular surroundings to focus on healing. Inpatient programs provide 24/7 support, structured programming, and distance from the people and places associated with substance use.
The VA does provide addiction treatment services for eligible veterans. However, many veterans also seek treatment at private facilities like Miracles Asia that specialize in veteran-specific care. These programs often offer approaches and environments different from VA facilities, including international locations that provide physical distance from home triggers and peer communities of veterans in recovery.
Yes, and research shows this is actually the most effective approach. About 63% of veterans diagnosed with a substance use disorder also meet criteria for PTSD. Studies have demonstrated that alcohol misuse does not interfere with positive PTSD treatment outcomes, meaning veterans can successfully recover from both conditions simultaneously. Programs that address both issues together, like Miracles Asia, give veterans the best chance at lasting recovery.
Veterans should seek programs that prioritize safety, provide trauma-informed care, offer connection with peers who understand military experience, integrate addiction and trauma treatment, respect individual healing timelines, and focus on strengths rather than solely on deficits. Look for programs that include comprehensive aftercare as a core component and that understand the unique challenges veterans face, including military sexual trauma and the culture of silence in the military.
Treatment length varies based on individual needs, but effective programs recognize that healing from both addiction and trauma takes time. Many programs offer 30, 60, or 90-day options, with longer stays generally associated with better outcomes. Aftercare and ongoing support following the initial treatment period are critical, as the weeks and months after leaving a program are often more challenging than the time spent in treatment.

About the Guests

Mark Heather is the co-founder of Miracles Asia, a specialized addiction treatment center located in Phuket, Thailand. With personal experience in addiction and recovery, Mark understands what veterans need to heal from substance use disorders, PTSD, and military sexual trauma. His mission is to help veterans find a path to sobriety and healing by addressing the unique challenges faced by those who have served in the military.

Michael O'Connor was the first veteran patient at Miracles Asia. His experience with the program and his journey through recovery provide valuable insight into what works for veterans struggling with addiction and trauma.

The program at Miracles Asia is designed to provide veterans with the tools, support, and community they need to rebuild their lives through a holistic approach that emphasizes connection, safety, and integrated treatment for both addiction and underlying trauma.

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Michael O (00:00)
had to, be willing to humble myself and put my hand up, which is something.
of veterans might struggle with just because of our conditioning, to raise my hand and ask for help to be vulnerable.
Mark Heather (00:20)
we have a huge success rate. Our is about 60%. It's normally about five or 10. Now, to be brutally frank, that's not because we're any good. It's because of the type of clients we get. You can get a client will go to some really shit rehab. I know it's no good, it's rubbish and yet they get sober.
Rachelle Smith (00:38)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Heather (00:48)
And you can get another guy that goes to this fantastic rehab that I know everybody's committed. got school program. He doesn't get sober. What's the difference? It's do they want it? Do they want it? If they want it, we've got it. If they don't want it.
There's nothing you can do. I can't get sober for them. don't just accept anybody. in our assessment process, we've got to be careful about who we can and can't take. We can't take severe mental illness, for example. We can't. But you know, number one is are they safe? they not violent?
We've got to make sure that they're safe in our little community. But second of all, for me is do they want it? That's what I'm trying to find out when I'm when we're asking people, they good? Do they want to if they want it? Come on down because we've got it for you.
Rachelle Smith (01:37)
In my personal experience with going to different treatment programs, I would say that I did want it, but I didn't believe that I would actually get to a place of healing. And there's actually a big difference, right?
I think it's more of like, I wanted to get better, but I didn't have any hope of it. With me, I found a medication that had finally worked. Prior to that, I had been on like 30 or 40 and it seemed like they either like worked a little bit and then my brain adjusted to it and nothing happened. And that would be the thing that would cause another slump of...
Like you feel like a little better and then all of sudden nothing, you're gonna get back to where you started. having people that have reached that kind of equilibrium of, okay, things are starting to feel a little better. I actually believe now I can do this work and make progress.
Mark Heather (02:37)
Right. And with time, we become our own proof, you know, after some time, but it's just crucial that we stay connected to like-minded people. problem with certainly addiction and mental health and trauma, you're not going to think your way out of it. You're not going to sit in a room and go, well, I'll think my way out of this. It's impossible. It has to be done with others.
Rachelle Smith (02:40)
Right.
Mark Heather (03:02)
that we can be part of that others, which is very powerful in itself, I think. There is something tremendously positive and a gift to be taken from in a positive way. we go out and we have this experience and we found our way out, to be able to share that with other people is very powerful. I believe it's a spiritual thing. It's this awful experience that happened to me
Well, I can take something good from that because I found a way out and I can show other people, hey mate, this is what I did to get out. You if you want to get out of somebody, ask somebody who's got out. That's powerful. You know, it's a powerful thing to have. It's a gift in many ways. It's not a gift we want, but it is a gift. It's a gift that we've got because we have the ability to help people.
Rachelle Smith (03:50)
That's true.
Mark Heather (03:57)
It's a passion. It's the reason that we get up in the morning. My primary purpose, Michael's primary purpose is to help the next alcoholic or addict that we can. That's primary purpose. So the whole place has got that sort of vibe. We've expanded now to 25 rooms. We started at six and it grew and our name grew because, you know, we're quite passionate about what we do. How I got involved with the armed forces, with the FMP.
And the VA was that during COVID, we were so small that we were about the only rehab open in Thailand at all. Nobody else. The VFW, which is the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Chiang Mai, it's in the north of Thailand, contacted us along with the American Embassy. And they said, we've got a serviceman who happened to be Michael, who's with us today, because there's been a load of others since. But he was the first one. They said, he's stuck, he's in COVID.
He can tell you what he was suffering, but also PTSD. Do you have a trauma informed staff there? Can you help? And we went, yeah, sure. You know, bring him down. They connected us up with the FMP, which is the payment part of the three A's who pay us very slowly, but they do pay us. And we got on their list and we've managed to help. We normally have three or four servicemen a year, something like that coming to us from various branches. Mostly those.
Rachelle Smith (05:10)
Sounds about right.
Mark Heather (05:22)
who are living overseas. could be anywhere in Southeast Asia, we cover them. So Michael came down and he was our first client, the forces. And yeah, it went from there really. Regarding our program, yeah, we're bringing in, ⁓ I want to bring in about five veterans a month. And if they stay, we have a 30, 60, 90 day program and not everybody can take 90 days because they're working, right? So it's a lot of time to take off.
They should be saying at least 60 days. Difficult to change people's sort of concept in 30 days. we need about 60. But if they're coming five a month, which we've given, you know, we've made five places available, that means I should have between 10 and 10 and 15 military people. What we plan to do is I don't want this to be a hurrah sort of, you know, military place. You know, I think there should be, I think there's a lot to be said.
with, you know, my other clients are normally 30s, 40s, 50s, middle-class professionals working in Southeast Asia and the States. So I have that type of community. If I bring the military people in, I don't think they should just be service people, because they live in that world already. I think they should be part of Civvy Street. I think they should be part of a normal community. But I do think they have their own special needs.
So I think they should have special counseling, special process groups where they come into groups and they work with their clinical side. There are certain aspects of the program that I think they need to be special just for them. But that's a 20 % of the whole. The rest of it should be our normal program. And our normal program, it's a holistic program, which means it's made up of different bits. The first part is psychoeducation. This is education.
about, you people think they you know all this, you naturally know all this, but people with problems don't. And I'm talking about anger management. I'm talking about relationships. I'm talking about boundaries. I'm talking about values. I'm talking about CBT. I'm talking, you know, mindfulness, these things that we think, I know about that. But actually, maybe they don't know very much. And they're wondering why they're raging all the time or angry all the time or kicking off all the time, you know, these types of things.
So that first part is a educational part, which is in a classroom delivered with homework and going over exactly what that is. The second part is relapse prevention. Anybody can stay sober in a rehab. It's not difficult. What it's all about is what you do when you go home. So the minute they come to us, they're working on what it's like when they leave those gates, when they go back out to their community.
What's the plan Stan? So they should have a complete and utter plan day by day about are they going to continue the therapy with their therapist? Are they going to be going to support groups? Are they going to be joining AA, physical health, eating properly, sleep, all of these things. What's the plan? So the second part is relapse prevention. The third part is the bit we touched on before, mental health. People drink or use because they don't like how they feel, including PTSD. ⁓
When you feel like shit and you feel awful and you can't do anything, what are you going to do? You're going to change how you feel. How do you change how you feel, especially in the services? Totally acceptable. Drink, drink like a fish. I grew up in the military. My dad, was a drink and now more powerful modern drugs have come on the scene. So they need to change how they feel because they feel so awful. That's why they use. So the mental health part is
where you're sitting with a clinical psychologist and you're going through, what's making the want want? What's driving it? Addiction in itself is a compulsive obsessive disorder. But then there's something else, either depression, anxiety, trauma, PTSD, which is driving us to drink and use. So that needs...
Number one, they need to be like detoxed and identify what that is because it's not, know, it can be such a blanket term PTSD, it covers so much, but it really needs pairing down into exactly what it is, exactly how it's presenting and exactly how it should be managed, right? So that's the third part is the mental health part. They do at least two hours a week with a clinical site. You can't do more than that. If you're doing more than that, you're doing too much.
And if it's not too much, you're not doing it properly. Right. After that, it's group work. do quite a lot of group work because I have this amazing community. I only take people that want it. If they don't want to get sober, I don't want them. I can't be bothered. I haven't got enough time. I just want people that want it. So when I get a community of mostly men, I mean, I have about 20, 30 % women, but mostly
Rachelle Smith (10:12)
Right.
Mark Heather (10:36)
well-educated, well-motivated, team-orientated men, all of them, are very, that's a powerful group of people to work with. And it's okay when a clinician or a support worker or a doctor or me say ABC, but when your peer says something to you, you listen, you really listen. So there's the power in the group. It's not only the medical sort of thing, the mental health thing, it's a group thing as well. So,
Rachelle Smith (10:55)
Mm.
Mark Heather (11:04)
The last one is group. also have 12 steps as part of our program. 12 steps is Alcoholics Anonymous, Cocaine Anonymous. We are not a 12 step program, but it's certainly part of what we do because when you go back to your community and especially in the States, everywhere, this is everywhere. It's free, it's loving, it's supportive, it's absolutely everywhere. So we try to guide people into that.
They don't want it. They don't have to have it. It's also a bit of a spiritual program. So there's a spiritual aspect to it as well. And by spiritual, mean, asking yourself a lot of questions and ask answering them and no matter where they go, rather than religious, it's maybe a set of rules that you have to follow. Spirituality is not about that. It's really is this inward, deep dive. And, remember that I think addiction and depression and
PTSD is the loss of connection to self. So it is a bit of a spiritual ⁓ emptiness, a void that we've got to look at. So anyway, that's part of the group. We do lots of different group works and as I said, it's quite powerful. The next one is physical fitness. We've got a gym, we go to this amazing gym three times a week. I it's just huge Olympic pools, weights, ⁓ cardio.
hot and cold, it's as the whole nine yards, has everything. And we do yoga in the morning or we do beach walks in the morning. So we're not keep fit for now, but we do believe in healthy body, healthy mind, healthy spirit. These are all like healing things. And the last one is that we do a lot of is aftercare. So when the client goes home, we're there with them for a couple of months, they continue with the therapist, they continue with the sport worker. They should be coming to our Zoom meetings.
We have the connection. We have the connection when they go home. So they're not alone. We do expect them to find their own communities when they get back, which there's loads in the States, but they've got to actually make that connection. So with us, we're with them all the time, including the two months after they go back. So that's roughly our program.
Rachelle Smith (13:24)
Where exactly are you located to? We should probably cover that.
Mark Heather (13:28)
We're located on the island of Phuket. Phuket is in the Andaman Sea. It's halfway down Thailand on the left hand side.
Rachelle Smith (13:38)
Beautiful. Yep. I've been to Bangkok. I was supposed to go to Phuket, but didn't make it, but I've seen pictures, isn't it? ⁓ man. Paradise, like you said.
Mark Heather (13:49)
We are
actually, we're on the rural part because the island is made up of the few and I didn't know this is this is most islands. I didn't know. It depends on the wind and the tide, but one half of the island is normally mangroves and the other is beaches. We're actually on the mangrove side, which is good for us. We're only about 10 minutes from a beach, but the general area is mangroves because then there's no beaches, then there's no hotels, restaurants, people.
We're very quiet and we're just underneath a jungle, which is a national park, which is behind us. So we're nice and quiet where we are, but we're still only 10 minutes from the beach. But we're in the rural part of the island. I was working in hotel not far from here when the tsunami hit. I lost 13 staff, 54 guests. Bill also lost a lot of guests and staff. He's a ship's captain, but was
working with a hotel and they lost a load of guests and staff as well. So after the tsunami, we worked together. I knew him through Alcoholics Anonymous and we started doing charity work together for kids, orphans, families that have lost loved ones, our staff mainly. We did that for a couple of years. I got to know Bill quite well through Alcoholics Anonymous and through working on the charity work. In about 2015, 16, I wanted to do something about recovery, but
It was my world, but something in hotels as well. you know, rehab seemed to be really way to go. And he said, okay, let's start it with my villa. He had a very flash private luxury villa that was only six bedrooms. And we decided that we thought we were going to help people like us because when I got sober, there were no rehabs. I got sober in 2004. He got sober like 10 years later. There were no rehabs at all in Thailand at that time. So we just did it through AA. And, know, with.
With recovery, AA is wonderful and you know, I'm Mr. AA and NA and CA and all of the anonymous things, but there are other components that AA doesn't cover. The medical part, is detox, the mental health part, which we're going to come to in a minute. The rehab encompasses those things. Yes, it's a place to stop and then work on yourself, but there is mental health component and a medical component that AA doesn't do. So we wanted to.
cover those parts of it. What we thought we aimed at people like ourselves, which is expatriates working in Southeast Asia. Most of our clients are expatriates working in Southeast Asia. So they're normally educated, normally just about to lose everything. The wife is normally leaving with the kids or HR is on their ass. You know, they're that type of client. We aimed it at that sort of people. And that comes out in that
We don't do bag searches, we don't do drug tests all the time, we don't do room searches. We treat people like adults because they are adults. They're allowed phones, they're allowed communication devices. Things that aren't quite allowed in other rehabs, we could because we were going for that sort of population. We were quite successful because we're very small, very personalized, very passionate. All the staff, I employ professional people, nearly all of them.
except for the Thai people who run the kitchen, who run the drivers, who run, you know, the rest of it, like a hotel, the people who are with the clients, with clinical psychologists, psychiatrists, support workers, all of these people, most of them are drunks or alcoholics themselves. ⁓ They are in recovery.
Rachelle Smith (17:31)
So if a veteran listening was interested in reaching out to you to learn more about miracles, how could they find you?
Mark Heather (17:40)
Just go to miraclesasia.com and there's ⁓ a page, especially for veterans.
No, MiraclesAsia.com. You'll get right there. There's a little dog tag and it says veterans press here. So there you go.
Rachelle Smith (17:59)
And do you all have any social media accounts as well?
Mark Heather (18:02)
Yes, we do. Yes. ⁓ We're on Facebook and Instagram.
Rachelle Smith (18:07)
Okay, perfect. I'll get that into the show notes. And is there any last tidbit either of y'all wanna share with our listeners or viewers?
Michael O'Connor (18:18)
Yeah, that there's help.
Mark Heather (18:20)
I think
you don't have to be alone. Just don't. you know, there's a saying in Asia, know, when the student's ready, the teacher will appear. And it is so true. If you put your hand up, all you've got to do is put your hand up and help comes. It really does. Well, and thank you for the wonderful work you do. It's really quite impressive what you're doing.
Rachelle Smith (18:22)
Yeah.
⁓ yeah.
Mark Heather (18:49)
Thank you.
Rachelle Smith (18:51)
It's been humbling. I can tell you that. When I did get to that point of recovering enough to actually use the things that I had learned, ⁓ I was just thinking, man, I want other people to be able to get to this space, because my depression was so bad that it really felt like ⁓ I couldn't see colors at times.
It was like being a robot zombie, I guess, if I could call it something. But to be able to share the stories of more folks that have gotten out of that mode and let survivors know that they're not alone. then there's probably millions of people out there willing to help them and then pull them out of that. That isolation piece, that ⁓ hopelessness. ⁓
We lose people every day because of it. I mean, I was almost one of them multiple times. So this, this is my way of, of sharing that hope and the love that I have now. didn't feel like I had any love in my life before that. I see that in both of you and it's, it's just so important to spread that and get as many people. The help they need as possible and, and, you know, change the world just a little bit every day.
And you can do that through healing, you know.
Mark Heather (20:20)
Best.
Michael O'Connor (20:23)
You're going through a big shift right now too, Rachelle aren't you? Like you're shifting out of that VA space you're in and you're like taking a big step doing this podcast. And I believe in you. I'm really grateful that you have the courage to follow your passion and your journey. Yeah.
Mark Heather (20:40)
Thank you,
Rachelle Smith (20:42)
yeah, every day is an adventure, but it's every day is a learning experience. And the one thing I did learn in therapy that I have to repeat to myself daily is like, I can't control, you know, other things, but I can control how I react to it. And, ⁓ who has gotten me through quite a few things. There's always something, but it's just.
taking that second to breathe and recalibrate and maybe even reach out to somebody else and say, Hey, I just need a different perspective. But being able to do that, even it sounds simple, but it's not.
Mark Heather (21:24)
Yes, that's the difference.
Rachelle Smith (21:26)
That's not, but thank you for providing this to veterans. Thank you, Michael, for sharing your experience as well. And again, so proud of you, so happy for you. And I think so many people are going to benefit from this episode and eternally grateful to you both.
Mark Heather (21:46)
Thank you very much.
Michael O'Connor (21:47)
gonna get a of you.
Rachelle Smith (21:49)
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